Tuesday, May 19, 2020

Conference Call Notes From May 10

As part of many gathering participants response to COVID-19, there have been conference calls taking place alternating nights at 6 PM West Coast Time / 9 PM East Coast Time.

Discussions include to gather or not to gather, how to hold spring council, and other things as well.

If you want to be join, the next one takes place on May 20 and then every other night from there.

Dial 425-436-6350  access code 377587#.   This is a toll call if your dialing from a phone that charges by the minute.


Thanks to a anonymous person for taking notes. If you want all the details, you'll need to join in the fun.

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Rainbow Family Circle Convo Call # 29 5/10/20  
These notes are taken from the call:

Check-ins:
I am tired. And taking lots of naps
Yes, we are exerting a tremendous amount of energy into this.
If you gotta nap, nap.
Moderator: For those of you just coming on the call.
!. If you would like to speak, please say your name, when you are done speaking please repeat your name with something like “out” – so we know you are done!
2. Check in – how are you doing?  What do you need?
3. We will be stacking speakers after the check-ins and the moderator will help with the flow.  Just tell them your name.

Wow, 20 people already.
So, who is there….
I am not really comfortable talking on the phone like this. 
The people that want to go ahead with this see this as a war on freedom, but it is not, it is a war on a virus. The fringe has hijacked a protest in Michigan – bringing their swastikas, and hate.
There are certain responsibilities that come with a rainbow – trash Liaison, medical, water, -- the little crew will – to me, it is super disrespectful. If they do this little council, or what eve they will call it – I may have to go, I am old and will go to block. 
IF they would call it something other than a rainbow gathering – others are hijacking the name and it will be on the national new and will be a boast for all LEOS ---
Nobody ever gave a thought to pandemics, when we thought  Ignore rumors of cancellation.
This virus may even get worse.  Our elders are the ones who will get sick, and even now kids are getting something weird.
Our valuable people ,our elders are taking the hit. I ask for some respect and responsibility, try to thing what you are doing,
The original gatheirngs we would talk about things in circle, pass a stick, and we would auhmmm circle -we were there for prayer for nonviolence and this is not ok.
Please do not come to Idaho this year. 
Check-ins – 29 people on call – three hosts
Happy mothers’ days to all the moms.
I enjoy reading the notes and you have my permission
About being mad at each other, there are many people I have been mad at on this call.
A bunch of yawl.
But the common thread is that we all go reflect on what is going on and on our own words and actions. The more I look at myself the more I look it helps me soften my response to people. Sometimes I jump and I do not know if it is a past trauma with energetic signature.  It happened to me on FB today, I had to back up and EAT CROW!  Thanks for letting me be wrong, and not slamming me
You guys are the best teachers of character. I feel like I am always in school around , you hold my feet to the fire, I appreciate that. I want to say, I really like it if I saw more of us looking at people who we do not agree with—instead of talking with them behind their back, talk to them directly. I see this happening from both sides,  we are basing our decisions on info we have collected.  Maybe people need more information, maybe there are not idiots of purpose,  I am an idiot sometimes, but I get a different angle and think of it from that way and there are all kinds of ways to look at stuff.
Please look at each other from love in our hearts
I do not care if your cam e to rainbow as in an infiltration I do not care.  I love you.  I  think we can win over the infiltrators
I have never experience love and acceptance like this.
I learn more at rainbow by willing to be wrong.
Someone will have an idea, and another adds to the idea and then there is a big blossom of the idea  ------the Garden of Rainbow.
Song “ It is loving you was wrong I do not want to be right”

I have a new mantra – big breath, OPPS! 

I want to say, I am tired of how I see the world and treating people that have less and I really vibed with the sister who spoke about coming from the heart. If everyone could be humbler, there would be more love in the world.
We are all hear for each other, and I love you all.
We have decided our drum circle will be discouraged and the annual picnic also should be postponed in Philly.  WE do not know how to invite you how to not be there. With humble love in our heart, we request that you to not show up. And of course, there are people that are not a happy about that.
Just trying to keep my head on straight. Not moving too much.
Naps are lovable!  I am embracing my inner cat. Lot of love for people there
The voice of the lightline stands in solidarity with postponement – safety for all – because we know how we are all interconnected.
We are like a tree – roots of those who have been there forever and then we have leave – new leaves, buds and sometimes they are there for just the season, we will remember them for their glory. 
I offer my humble brokenness, and we hope each and every one of you- your friends and all are well. And bathed in the loving light of creator. I am sorry , I love you , please forgive me.
This is interesting time to be here, and I appreciate being here  -- time is filled with learning and experience I would never get anywhere.
Ohio – it is a big deal,  in quarantine – lots of handwashing and it is going to get sketchy. 
Thanks for the entertainment and wise words, and laughter.
Sheriff in 2001, Idaho, now running for county commissioner. 
Time for little kids to check in:
We love you.
Good night
I am grateful for how much I am learning about love and tolerance and care. I am so excited to be able to grow with this family and hold this space for the family.
Someone brought up conf calls are fun. Let’s do it again. I agree. A new frontier!

What specifically is going on – I have found myself focusing on my fears, and I feel spirit telling me to focus on my desires – unity and crossing over the fear and into the wind. We need to have faith, it is going to be alright (not ok). We are doing the right thing and we need to keep doing it.
We need visualizing what we want.
Thanks for letting me be in the space with you.
I’m really enjoying the virtual gathering on FB – we pretend to be at a gathering, and are thinking of doing some skill share on de-escalation , mental health emergencies and other things.  Looking forward.
Anyone else want to check in – 3 hosts and 37 people on call
Most of the people I know wear masks and is taking the virus seriously, I am happy with that.
Things are pretty good – good spirits.
I live in a college town.  I realize how lucky we were that the students were on spring break when this hits.  Now, many of the students are back to pack up stuff and they are not wearing mask and I feel it puts our community in danger.  It did bring home for me how important it is for me to stand in solidarity with postponing the gathering.
WE are theoretically opening in the 15th. And no one I know is willing to go out.  The levels of the virus have gone down because they are testing the wastewater.
I do not think it is good to take the virus and bring it around the country.
Just going to sit here and listen, I appreciate it.
I have been enjoying the quiet times. Although, right now, it would be nice to be with other people!
I am helping out at a local foodbank and kitchen. I enjoy the pretend rainbow FB page.  I am thinking of the postponement  -- I am in support of.
There is a lot of networking being done, good connections, we are building a stronger network for each other. Maybe this time will help us build and bring back the old school ways – more care and compassion. 
These calls are wonderful. I feel like we are listening to old time radio shows.  This would be good to keep going once a week or so, even next year and on for support.
Poem:
Japanese Monk
I did not see one thing on my trip
But I breathed
What I breathed was time.
JOKE:
(it might be bad)
A conspiracy theorist, I will have a corona with lime.
I am here.  Still doing all right
Always FREE on the radio – MUTINY RADIO.FM out of SF – we have TUESDAYS 4-6 Pac --- always free style theme show! 
A reading…
It is to good family. I love listening . I am so impressed and happy.  You express such knowledge about things.  I think we are all pretty close to how we feel. The brother that spoke early on said much that I agree with.
Shanti Sena Skill Share – we had a lightly attended call.  Next one:  WEDNESDAY Night May 13, 2020  -- 9 PM Eastern.  515-604-9765  access code  146128
Free assembly dot org  slash shanti sena  ( webpage)
This call is making me feel really good. I am just going to listen.
I am gonna just listen, as well.
Took time to say hello to brother that they had not seen in a long time.
Many of us believe that there will be a shit show, and if they are not going to listen, and steal our name – they are going to put their name on the event.  And they will probably not clean up. The USFS will document this, and spread it. WE need to make some contingency plans regarding cleanup—how will we see how cleanup gets done after this rogue gathering?
The fun topic is the 2020 shit show, it does not need our full focus right now, I would like to focus with what we are going to do instead. 
WE need to pull things together – for the travelling kids, is that a real problem.  What is the scope of that problem?
As for cleanup, we need to figure our how that will be safe.
There is a tradition of only making consensus on the land, and how are we going to reach consensus.
We usually council on the land – eye-to-eye – we have had conference calls regarding location of conference calls – precedent that we have reached consensus by phone before.
This time last year, I was driving around the woods.  Sorting kitchen gear.  Hang out, do potlucks, go talk on the phone lots.  Lots of phone about gathering.
We reached lots of consensus on the phone last year.  Locations for scout and spring council were reached on the telephone.  I would like to see a phone consensus for the light line that I update, and maybe lightlines could send the same message.  A 30-60 second spiel that could go on light lines.
I wanted to take a moment – put out into the universe –one visualization in the most positive light.  Maybe there will be somethings that
Whatever happens that it ends with the highest good by the all. Guided by love and light, and whatever higher power you feel exists. I see a few people that feel passionate about following through on vision council making the away to Idaho taking all safety protocols, I see them arriving meeting with minimal local travelers and a handful of other who find themselves there, I see them all upholding the highest standards of safety.  They will maintain a distance. For the cops this is just a holding space for people who did not have any place to go. With love as an overarching  theme – but not rainbow in the name. I see travelers finding safe places.  I see our family holding the safety of the world in our highest.  Regard.  I see us with a new restored appreciation for each other and for what it means to be family, I see our online presence and able to refine the teaching and sharing of skills.  This is an evolving visualization I want to send out the most love and light  to the vision.
I think the sick people have less than optimum levels of vit D.  The sky used to be blue.
What have you done for Mother Earth today?

Lots of different camps:
The people who have made this happen –on their dime, they do not want to participate because they think that it is too dangerous.
Some people feel that our rights are being threatened.  And they feel we need to go to stand up for our rights.
The travelling kids need a place to go.
There are some that say, damn the old people, trying to tell us what to do  ---- they do not believe that the virus is real.
There are some people that feel that we need to go to spring council and do not feel strongly either way.
If people are thinking they are not represented well at councils.
We have to have radical inclusion.
Good evening!  I want to tell you we sincerely love you, sincerely appreciate all of the syllables put together, know that each are individual heart strings coming together.
Infrastructure, kitchens, and those who are experienced.  It should be made clear, very clear that we do not want to see a rainbow gathering this year. 
The levels of false accusations get worse the more you do.
We are a tribe of individuals. I encourage every admins so the world and the feds and all of us can see and know that we are not in support of the gathering in Idaho this year.
We are going to have people show up.
I love this family. I am a more peaceful person, and the rainbow family has made me that way. I want to protect this family until the day I die.
Short spiel for light lines  -- it is tough that we mention our conscience and broadcast concern.
Brainstorm  (only)  for light lines ---- This year 2020, we in love and humility out of concern for the public health call join on the fourth of July for world peace from sunrise to noon – and stand in solidarity with the others who are abstaining from gathering this year. -postponement --We need to act proactively, and make the statement go to wide audiences.
We are trying to not gather.  If this is put out, it will get out enough. 
Thank you. Loving you.
How are we going to find a site for them? 

Suggestion – Proposal for consensus the counter effort -this call is open to everyone, and there are some convoluted efforts out there – spring council and process 2019 SC there is a block on anyone who is spouting off about process and will respect what SC pos or neg as a consequence of decisions of decision made on the land in the result of a negative opinion the decision of next years’ gathering the

I am just going to be clear, I am getting off call, I called in because I was invited.  Every time I call in –I hear the same thing – the same people I have gotten 14 death threats, you can disagree

There are kitchens that are coming. People that are discouraging others you are doing a good thing –please continue to discourage people and we may be able to make it safer with less people. It will be an easier gathering. I am not going to mention the kitchens. 
This is about us as a family.  I get it that people don’t like that we are gathering. If you disagree please do not threaten others. 
3 hosts and 37 people on call
Lightline proposed ideas - -brainstorm:
This year in 2020 out of love and humility we invite all peaceful individuals to pray for world peace independently this July in 2020.  Standing in Solidarity with the health and safety in the name of world peace along with individuals, kitchens, and camps wishing to gather at a safer time.  Love and light.
Please do not interrupt others on this call. It is difficult to hold my to tongue.
Communication is key.
Song:
Earth my body, water my blood
Air my breath and fire my spirit.
People who are interested in finding a unified consensus and solution– that really stands in solidarity. 
When family lumps the silent ones, who have not chosen to speak –and lots of people are choosing to not speak they are choosing to wait. 
There are individuals that are listening or not listening that are responsible for amping them up and want the ones that are interested in looking bad.
I lost my temper the other night.  I am a calm and loving person.  I felt my anger was justified and I was able to deescalate myself – self soothing!  I am aware the intense rage reaction that some people have – I want you to take a very deep breath and listen……
Tx Gathering – No Guns, our sister, a  story  -- no guns in the church – a man wanted to drive into main meadow, and ran over No Guns, our sister  ---—injuring her badly, needed to be life flighted out.  The first words out of her mouth were “NO vengeance”.  From my heart, we are founded on the principle of nonviolence – we cannot go there. If we feed our anger the Buddhist say, we take not only ourselves to hell but  the other as well.  If we continually react with anger, do  let your opponent win – NO VENGENCE ------no guns.
I wanna be an echo, I do not align with any threats on this call, on FB or anywhere –I disavow myself from that.
Sometime the people that need love the most are the hardest ones to love.  Maybe the loudest antagonist needs the most love.  I challenge whoever or all of you, talk to them personally and try to make a connection --- instead of jumping on a band wagon.  Talk to them about other stuff, love on them. 
Love the unlovables.  This is good stuff – we have nothing to do but council.
I love to talk. I think we really need to get a count of people who really need a place to go.
Lots of people who travel and live their lives nomadic –they are still travelling and many of the community has not stopped travelling. Nobody cares and nobody is scared. We have had a steady stream of people through …
Proposed for the MI/WI lightline, folks talked about  the following suggested statement for lightlines:
This year in 2020 out of love and humility we invite all peaceful individuals to pray for world peace independently this July in 2020. Standing in Solidarity with the health and safety in the name of world pace along with individuals, kitchens, and camps wishing to gather at a safer time. Love and light.
I would like to thank everyone on this discussion. I appreciate everyone who is trying to spread the idea of postponement.
I want to first of all say, I am not happy about the gun thing and the rumors, beating it to death. There may have been this and that, it is not a real concern. But I do not know for sure. 
It would be nice if we could step back on rumors.
I do not have to gather, I do not have a need but I feel that there may be people there.
If ‘ignore rumors of cancellation” had never been a thing, then I would be like, ok it is postponed. But with that statement, I don’t know, I can’t turn my back – I don’t know. 
The ignore all rumors originally had to be stated because  of outside forces trying to shut the gathering down.  There are lots of people concerned.
There is no rumor of cancellation or postponement – we are now discussing it. It is not a rumor, it is a reality ----- This has been discussed every 48 hours --- this is the 29th call.
I am standing in solidarity with loving the heck out of my family, and I am saying please stay away from me.
Hey, there are 27 people on this call – I dare some of you that have not spoken – to speak.
I put something out there to open some people eyes – I am happy to hear the communication I hear tonight.
It was so good to hear _____, on here.
I am hanging back and keeping quiet.
Silence.
Hey goodnight, thanks for moderating the call. It was good to listen.
Loving YOU!
I want to wish you all a beautiful evening. I look forward to hearing more of these conversations.

































Monday, May 11, 2020

Listening to someone else's perspective

Here is the true meaning and value of compassion and nonviolence, when it helps us to see the enemy's point of view, to hear his questions, to know his assessment of ourselves. For from his view we may indeed see the basic weaknesses of our own condition, and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the brothers who are called the opposition.

~~~Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sunday, May 10, 2020

Conference calls notes from May 8

As part of many gathering participants response to COVID-19, there have been conference calls taking place alternating nights at 6 PM West Coast Time / 9 PM East Coast Time.

Discussions include to gather or not to gather, how to hold spring council, and other things as well.

If you want to be join, the next one takes place on May 10th and then every other night from there.

Dial 425-436-6350  access code 377587#.   This is a toll call if your dialing from a phone that charges by the minute.


Thanks to a anonymous person for taking notes. If you want all the details, you'll need to join in the fun.

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These notes are taken from the call:
I do not consent to the recording of this call.
I won’t be on long tonight. I am exhausted. I have found three sites where 10 and one site for 12 or less can go instead of going to Idaho. Hit me up for info. This is for travelers who have no where to go
I have been in tears over this. There are kids with no place to go, and there are people with an agenda. It is breaking my heart, and if these kids go to Idaho and get arrested – they don’t get that part, they just need somewhere to go. I have been working all day on this.
If people really need the equipment, they can access equipment for “responsible” people. WE thought about opening my land for people in land, but we will take people for quarantine people.
I can’t believe that people are trying to gather, people won’t be welcome anywhere. I guess now the children are getting sick.
Hey ___ , do you listen to this. Another brother, -- yeah I do! Hey brother--- we can’t have a gathering, it is crazy. What town will welcome us? It will destroy the family. WE don’t have to have a gathering this year. WE can have local picnics this year.
Sounds like a great idea.
Facilitator: This is the 28 th call – we have 28 callers on the call. In the beginning call #1, we started doing a popcorn approach but with all the people interested in the call – we have had to add facilitation because of the number of people who want to be on the call.
WE make a stack – throw your name to the stacker and get on the stack and we listen to others.
Old family chatting - - I can’t believe that people are actually talking about an annual gathering.
There a is a small contingency of people pushing for this gathering --- I believe that he has a personal agenda, and he is pushing for Spring council to happen and claims that a consensus to not gather that he would not – he is insisting that people have to show up for their voices to be heard despite that fact that 90% of the people that make this work want to postpone
There is a few guys in question, and they are talking inviting armed militia to “help protect the family”
There are 22 ppl on call
Glad the calls are coming and glad to have a rational discussion. Interested in discussing not that we want to gather, of course we do, rather I want to discuss that we can. I would love to hear about how. And maybe discuss logistics and possibilities. Lay out valid reasons as to why or why not we should gather. There may be a small miracle, there may be someone out there with a way to pull it off.
We have toilet paper now in town! Winter is coming tonight. Expect a freeze. I am doing great. I enjoy all the energy and connection with people across the country.
I am thinking of taking care of our most people in the most need.
Idea: hot and cold camps.
The gathering in Idaho, if they change the name, it is silly I know – then we can get the people who normally do…..(mumbling)
A reminder to mute your phone, get on the stack if you want to speak.
My opinion the gathering should be cancelled – get together in small, do not travel, please do not invade Idaho. I can’t believe people are so stupid to have a gathering, I knew it would happen, but it is the rainbow. – chuckles from many…
Support small, local gathering, I would like to offer PA as a spot, I think that can relief some of the pressure from Idaho. If enough of us do that, it can help a lot.
Anyone wanting to check in?
Hey Everyone !! I just got on! Gonna hang back and gonna have pizza with my kid!
It is gonna snow tomorrow in the northeast.
Checking in from CALI – thanks everyone good to hear your voices.
Please remember to close – when you speak with a “ (your name) OUT”
I planted some seeds and I have seeds for sharing from the --- “family seed share” on FB.
I like the seed share, and have been enjoying on FB – this is one you pretend that you are at a gathering and I made peace with someone on the FB page, I got into the role play—it made my heart feel warm – just the heart emoji made me feel forgiven. It is nice that we can feel the rainbow magic on these internet connections. We are finding creative ways to connect.
WE do really want to connect, I Feel our ability to communicate and flow like water around the obstacles. I am in the middle of the desert right now instead of traveling, I am enjoying my time in shelter in place.
Every year there is a shit storm online anyway about the gathering.
I lost my cool on the convo call last night.
We all love each other – it is not an us and them it is WE – love you
Needed to drive car – and took the care out and found TP and bleach! Yeah!
The toilet paper situation is good. If folks are interested in what CALI is doing – California.org has good info. Everyone is going to have 6 ft barriers, what I am hoping to have a lot of little MICRO gatherings – I want to see you.
Let us look to the state of CA for spacing, and protocols to keep us safe. I want to be with you all. I love the virtual gathering and would love to see you all there.
Anyone want to check in___
Hey Family, this is___. Loving you. WE have an alt conf call , we are making progress toward this year’s gathering, we have competent people scouting right now. June 13.
I am driving, I will be lurking, and it is not safe. I am listening, I love you.
What UP? You human beings. 28thcall. Yeah, there are 30 people on the call. Two or three new people, that is cool. What is going on in my life. Got my stimulus check. Gonna laminate the check after electronic deposit. It may snow, that is whacked!
I wrote a really good post on internet. RE how serious things are—check my FB page. What is going on…it is MAY!
From NYC, it is cold, and we are gonna get snow!! It is crazy…working in the garden. All the plants won’t be planted until next week. I am freaked out. I have been in my house for 9 weeks.
MY laundry opened up this week!!!
I miss everybody, I was so looking forward to Idaho. I will be patient, we have had lots of death, and it is just something to be cautious about. The reality people are getting sick and unfortunately, with places opening up.. If you gather, please do the distancing thing. Going into a bank with a bandana. Wishing you the best, I am going to listen.
LOVING YOU ALL ----
32 PPL on call
I am doing good, I hope you are
Joke
“A guy walks into a bar and asks for a free drink
I will give you a multi-level joke….” (sorry I could not type fast enough)
I love rainbow and love the community. I look forward to the pilgrimage. Our camp, and kitchen are not going. WE are not gathering but we do not want to create, it could be bad, = not only negative press – it could make people seriously sick, organ damage permanent
There are too many variables – the respectful and right thing to do is to not gather.
We need more data and time. We will know more in 6 months. The whole world is working on how to deal with this.
Continued with a poem,
I am going to miss seeing you and meeting new people.
The key to life is making mistakes and we all make them. Going to the gathering is a mistake we cannot make. I think thousands of us will show the world that we stand in solidarity of not gathering.
Much love…
I want to make a technical announcement. It is called AGR.welcomehome.org there is a new platform and we need people to test it out! Create an account and your email will be secure. Open source, private very advanced.
I just passed a billboard – it says STAY HOME SAVES LIVES.
I have a little cold, checking my temp, I think I am ok.
Mandatory May 11 – masks everywhere in Haiti. Tickets and fine without
They are trying
These calls are great to connect with everyone. It is a good example of keeping an open and transparent process. There is no censorship and people say what they have to say.
High degree of emotional maturity. These calls.
As far as the gathering, I am a relief worker and I can’t ask people to put themselves at an obvious disaster.
When you go to the front line, you need to be careful who you go with. Stress and being exposed to trauma and they can do extreme things. Anybody listening – I feel like having a wider outreach of smaller gathering is a better option. I can’t tell you what to do, spring council – I hope people respect what decision is made there.
Be careful who you step into the fox hole with, you do not know what will happen. I want to HONOR ALL FIRST LEVEL RESPONDERS – DELIVERY PEOPLE, TRASH COLLECTORS, NURSES, DRS, EMT, ETC.
I am praying for you, I am on everybody’s team. I am not in opposition with people.
It is beautiful that this is an uncensored conversation.
Checking in loving you all , glad to be here.
Recommend that on FB pages admins – we discourage gathering this year.
Parking lot crew checking in – god it is great to hear your voice.
Hope you are all doing good tonight. It is snowing tonight in PA. cold rainy and wet.
HI everybody, just want to say hi..
Glad we had a nice check in.
Very peaceful check in. An idea: check ins throughout – versus a long check in time
People wanting to gather versus people wanting to postpone. 95% of major kitchens has decided to do stand in solidarity with 2021. Medical, calm, scouting, cleanup crews – the majority of the main infrastructure of the gathering have asked for postponement
There are a few kitchens that have not been part of the major process are the ones who are wanting to gathering in Idaho – I have heard that a small contingent of renegades who want to gather in the name of rainbow. J_____ you have set up council number, set up Facebook page and you are taking a main stance in promoting this gathering, and you personally do not have a whole lot of experience with setting up a gathering. I do not believe that you have the family’s best interest at heart. Lots of things you have said via this conference call s and FB pages,=== I personally worried about ARMED Protesters to “protect US’ from the law’s enforcement.
Things could get real tough when cops show up – none of those familiar faces will be there.
The four or five people trying
I am very concerned about the 4 people I know pushing the rainbow Idaho 2020 to happen, all of them have some issues – red flags ----you have people that are talking about scouting and calling in the native people for scouting – and then you have a person guy that volunteered to do trash – do they really know with that entails?
Protecting rainbows
I am a VET ---I am a peaceful protestor, armed people protecting me is not what I need. Nor want.
The majority of infrastructure says WAIT.
(As the note taker, I had to pause when I spoke, no notes… )
There was a long list of honors for folks --------…….
Keep it clean and wait till next year.
I had a few things. Being in the other conference call, I feel the hearts of some of the others that want to make the gathering happen, I feel the passion. I am trying hard to empathize. Rainbow is a microcosm, the sexual assaults, the mystery that happens, we get mad at that, we forget that rainbow is just a sample of our what is happening on the earth.
I want to be that point of transmutation and ripple the evolution into the rest of our reality on the planet. It is hard and I wonder is my ego involved in the resistance for those who want to gather.
For those wanting to gather:
HAVE YOU come up with a plan for when some is sick at the gathering? And is there a plan for people getting sick?
It is like children who are being told they cannot do something, WE all want the gathering to go well, but the risk is soooooo strong and seems so selfish – the whole world is fighting their buts off – following the protocol – trying to limit the effect on the hospital – the whole world is trying and struggling to do their best, some people here are saying they do not care.
The world will look at us and say those selfish
MY DESIRE IS FOR US TO UNITE – HOLD HAND VITURALLY – WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRAY ON THE FOURTH, MY PRAYER IS TO FIND THE MIDDLE GROUND
I am grateful that we are able to come together in mutual cooperation, and respect.
I love all of you and what you have to say. Keeping life interesting.
I am grateful for these calls. This Allstar group of siblings coming together to help.
I want to talk about – I want to help facilitate a gathering
I am looking for wood, water, main meadow. Parking, -- the meadow, our ritual in the woods ---- it is just a matter of WHEN === I am thinking of moving into looking for regionals when it safe – blank canvas for them.
I have things to look forward to. I am in no hurry.
The FB group –A Group Where We All Pretend to be at a Rainbow Gathering Together ---- that role plays a RB gathering is fun! Lots of situation—lots of shanti sena to learn and respond to
GUNS in the CHURCH – if someone is going to bring violence and violent means to the gathering. There is a handful of individuals that are intent on conspiring to bring a radical contingent to the gathering – They would like to bring the militias to the gathering do draw cannon fodder. So anyway, look it up that is a thing.
We are talking about bringing guns, I will bringing my penis. I am not going to show it, and it you are gonna wriggle your guns around people—you are some kind of weirdo. There are guns at gatherings, and we keep the concealed – we do not wriggle them around. What type of weird ship is going on this year?
I consider Idaho my back yard and my area of responsibility. This has got me a real moral conundrum this year.
There is no legal thing to be sued – a lawyer could never be successful suing – we do not exist.
HUSH!
I am 100 % ____. (a sister)
Who the hell do we think we are. Do we think we can get away with this (gathering in Idaho)
If you do not feel this one scares the living shit out of you, you are lying. This disaster area, thinking about it, if fucking scary.
If you do not say you are scared, I do not want to go into the trenches with you.
Moderator: THANKS FOR WRITING down what you want to say – so you can be concise.
Honor Luke – a kind and gentle man --- Badger – Sailor—
What alarms me --- when people talk about their rights. If you are talking about gathering in a way that is condoned. You are talking about the right to get people sick. This is not a constitutional discussion it is about safety and risk. I get it that business owners that need to get the economy going and protests and the protests get hijacked by white supremacy.
The protest started about getting back to work, and this conversation is getting commandeered. This conversation is the
When we talk about Idaho, and we have folks are talking about going and pushing the limits – beyond what we open ourselves up to the nefarious agenda – we very well may be commandeered by those people.
These nefarious groups are trying to get a foot hold around the country. IF they take over, we may not be able to
With these folks who want to have this gathering, they do not have respect. MOST people in the family say it is not the right to time to gather.
Let alone the logistical problems they will face. No TP nor rice in local Idaho stores. There is going to be a logistical nightmare. The Idaho folks would normally welcome folks. But this year, nobody wants a bunch of new people
Are there are few provocateur or saboteurs that want to destroy the family.
Keep the faith we will be able to gather in the future. Peace out, keep your immune system. We all know what we have to do to keep ourselves healthy. WE have seen this- we have known this will happen.
The whole rainbow thing that we have been trying to learn. I love you all. Thanks for sharing these calls, and this space.
I would like to use my time to interact with J____. Is that OK?
J____ wife – oh my name is M________ – loving you guys.
--- I want to interact with you.
I have been waiting for real info about the gathering in Idaho
I know what I know, but I want to know what you know. and we are wondering if you can convince others about the gathering
1. Do you have people available and stepping up to liaison with USFS and health dept? SOME USFS and no health dept.
2. What logistic covered? That is hard to say, we have enough supplies for a medium gathering 5-600 SOME
3. Is there is a plan for worst case scenario? Not answered.
4. I would like you to explain your intentions….
J____ – My intentions are not to promote – rather to (facilitator asked for J___ to respond later_---- Did not get answered on this call.)
RADIO Project; I have access to a Tuesdays 4-6 for radio show --- audible archive to always free – reading aloud – first hour – read and people call in for second hour. Contact Rachel Pinson on FB.
Call in from afar, he wanted to know if there was a gathering this summer.
It is starting to get hot here in Taos, family archives need attention, and there is a project. Looking for help.
If people are insistent on doing something in Idaho, and they use the name, I think this is so disrespectful – some have mentioned agent provocateurs it does make me wonder, it is going to harm us. We need to consider damage control during this event. And the damage control next year, I have been around politics – and I believe that it will turn into a major shit show – a major cop show – we need to consider all of the spin – these people are going to shit in our pool.
We are in grief – the stages of grief – denial, anger, depressed, bargaining, acceptance --- there are different stages we are all in. Then I think --- can we do small regionals – I think – am I insane. The states can’t even do this. Maybe in 6 weeks, on the fourth – it may be safe for us to have micro campouts – do not call anything a gathering but call all of them something else – just little seeds --- if it is safe. There will be some places having spikes. That is what I would ask people – pay attention, tiny, tiny camps when it is safe.
WE all know that a gathering can strain the local area. And would it be ok for the folks going to the “regional;” could you go someplace else. Take them where you can go to a larger community if they get sick they can go to a larger hospital.
We love each other and build on the past – it is not about our right to prove something.
How can any of you take any of you seriously. It is disturbing how you treated this sister.
10:08
Very disruptive –
Sister spoke and was very upset with the way she was taunted on the call. Those people have no respect for women of all ages.
I have been one of the biggest supporters with having spring council. As far as I am concerned, I have to step back, I can’t do this. It is sad to watch the family destroy each other. How can you destroy people in this – I CANNOT BE ON BOARD WITH THE IDAHO GATHERING. If someone wants to call me and me scout for smaller gatherings. But after what heard tonight, I can’t do this.
10:12 Disrupted by Alex Jones recording. Reminder this guy wants to have a gathering in Idaho, and he does not know a thing about how to do the gathering.
Still playing AJ recording…
I do not know who is playing Alex Jones, but I want to hear ____. Speak.
I am not lying at this moment, I am not playing Alex Jones.
I know why J--- is doing this. He sent me a message, and (interrupted by Alex Jones again) --
J___ misunderstood the last time I spoke. I received a set of text messages from their conference that they have. They want to be able to sue because no money came from the magic hat. This thing has your name on it.
I do not to need to say anything. I love you all.
That was so intense guys, I am so confused
(continued interruption)
This energy is flowing from all of the world, we are doing something powerful.
Pause to auhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..
Thank you for that and joining with me.
(background noises)
Logistical – how can we start to work together and inspire people to start to create space and literature. Make things more than memes ( interrupted) And how can we start to address this to the outside world.
Hi everyone, I love you. we are doing great, we are stepping through this.
33 people on call
It might not be the time. I am not interested in being in the fox hole with that guy.
I am glad that there are two siblings who have changed their perspective about gathering in Idaho. Thanks for joining this call and thanks for supporting postponement.
We are all part of a hypothetical affinity group, the place we agreed to go is now covered with hot lava, and we can see that we would not want to go. But there are a couple that say we must go – and they insist --- they want us to go into the hot lava to agree not to go in the hot lava. Hey everybody – there is a deadly virus out there and they want us to go, it is preposterous that people want to force others to put themselves in danger to not make a thing happen, that by rights does not need people to go to the place to make it happen. It is preposterous. There may be a dozen people that go, and hold vision council and decide where we will go.
The validity of that consensus may be questioned. Like those that reacted to J___ when he got started about holding the gathering – and now they have fizzled. But there were many more who supported this until they heard him and have lost confidence after listening to him.
I do not want to go into HOT LAVA.
Moderator requested the great train reading.
40 people…
Moderator: I do not want to have to mute people. Please mute yourselves. Please do not acknowledge interruptions.
Lots of thanks to two different individuals that have decided to stand in solidarity with postponement. Grateful.
(more disruption from Alex Jones --- )
Someone read from the FB --
“I assure you that we will not be inside with our weapons – we will be on the perimeter”
Deeply saddened that people believe the virus is not real.
J___ please think about changing your mind, it is ok to do that. Please think about it
These people who are planning a gathering in Idaho – they do not have our interests at heart, they just want to use us for their libertarian goals. We have to disassociate ourselves from them.
I focus on gratitude when I am feeling frustrated.
Song – give thanks give thanks to you we do give thanks.
I love you.
I made a website for Shanti Sena. I recommend that nobody do anything that can harm anyone else.
Auhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
WE LOVVVVEEEEEEEE YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Saturday, May 9, 2020

Restrictions on peaceable assembly

From the US Constitution

Amendment I
 
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
 
But is it really that simple?  
 
The current law of the land upheld by the United States Supreme Court is that time, place, and manner restrictions are constitutional. Now I'm not saying I agree with this, but it is what is. 

If you want to educate yourself on how and why these regulations have been upheld, there is great information in the First Amendment Encyclopedia provided by the Free Speech Center at Middle Tennessee State University on time, place, and manner restrictions.

Friday, May 8, 2020

Educate yourself on Idaho's National Forests' Closures

Last update 5/8/2020 @ 8:30 AM Pacific time

There's lot's of rumors flying around about forest closure orders or lack there of in Idaho. Because each forest and each district can have distinct closure orders, its not really a clear cut situation.  In this blog post I will try to summarize the orders by district and provide links so you can verify for yourself.

10 Person Group Size Limitation for Outdoor Recreation Groups: The Intermountain Region issued a 10-person group size limit for outdoor recreation on National Forest System Lands in Idaho through the end of May to adhere to the State of Idaho’s opening plan.  Click here for the order.

As an FYI, the Intermountain region covers all or part of six states, including Utah, Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, California, and Colorado as shown in this map below.

Map outline with the forest boundaries for the Region.
Intermountain Region of USFS


Closure orders can change at any time and become more or less restrictive.  Knowledge is power.  You should visit all the links and see if my summaries are no longer accurate as I will only have time to check this periodically.  Leave a comment with specific updates and a link to a Forest Service website where I can double check.

For all COVID-19 closure orders on an interactive map, click here.  Please note this site does not include all closure orders, just the ones related to COVID-19.

In general, most campgrounds, hot springs, and recreation areas are closed until further notice plus the some dispersed Camping areas.

Boise National Forest

To see closure orders by district, click here.


Caribou-Targhee National Forest and Curlew National Grassland


Note, the current closure order closes all campgrounds, recreations areas, etc. until May 31

Idaho Panhandle National Forests


Note the current closure order closes all campgrounds, recreation areas, etc. until June 30.

Nez Perce-Clearwater National Forests


Note the current closure orders closes all campgrounds, recreations areas, etc. until June 30.

Payette National Forest


Note the current closure order closes some recreation areas and makes recommendations to be in alignment with State of Idaho guidance.

Salmon-Challis National Forest


Sawtooth National Forest


Wallowa-Whitman National Forest

Note, this forest is aligning itself with State of Idaho orders.