Conference Call Notes from May 18

As part of many gathering participants response to COVID-19, there have been conference calls taking place alternating nights at 6 PM West Coast Time / 9 PM East Coast Time.

Discussions include to gather or not to gather, how to hold spring council, and other things as well.

If you want to be join, the next one takes place on May 20 and then every other night from there.

Dial 425-436-6350  access code 377587#.   This is a toll call if your dialing from a phone that charges by the minute.

Thanks to a anonymous person for taking notes. If you want all the details, you'll need to join in the fun.

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Rainbow 2020 conversation circular conference call - 5/18/20--- #33

Note taker check in----------------This is the 33rd call, and there were lots of people speaking strongly in support of postponing the 2020 Annual Rainbow Gathering.  There were really very few on the call who were pushing for the annual gathering to happen.  

There were questions posed to those who are thinking of gathering. The questions posed were:   What are the plans for interfacing with USFS, Law Enforcement and Public Health Officials?  What plan or strategy are in place (or being developed) related to health and safety --- how people plan to keep themselves, each other, and the local community safe. And what are the plans to deal with sick people?  (there are some answers in the notes)

Please join in on the next call: 5/20/20 -- 9 PM Eastern time – 425-436-6350  Access 377587# Each person, as they enter the call, gets a place in the circle. A moderator will recognize them  form the stack/circle of other speakers.  Each speaker has 4 min 20 seconds to speak, and the electronic feather is passed to the next person on the circle/stack.

There are notes from the first 4 hours of the 33^rd conference call. The call went on for many more hours.  Some words and Ideas from the speakers on the call  via the notetaker. Italic words are of moderators. No names are used. No identifying factors are included. Consent was gathered verbally on the call to post these notes.  

Submitted by Sibling.

Looking forward to hearing from people who are planning on going to the gathering.
I want to hear from people that are going to spring council. 

I want to provide sanctuary for those who gather.

Are we sharing the notes on FB? 

Any notes taken, no names should be used.  If you chose to write it down, you can do it.

I really do not want to take notes at all. Are we supposed to be sharing?

Moderator advice --- – just take stack and call on people – people can talk for 4 mn 20 seconds.

I felt motivated to participate. I appreciate your help!

I have some concerns about what if… for people showing up.  What happens if people ignore the suggestions about social distancing and other things are not followed– What if someone gets sick? What happens when the ICT team shows up with their $500,000 budget – what are people going to do?  What if everyone goes to jail?  I am concerned that the call is going out to innocent people, first time gatherers – not feeling safe and feel like people are leading others into a trap. I want to hear a solid plan. What are you going to do about people taxing the locals?

I am a realist, I am talking real talk, I am waking up with anxiety over my family being led into a trap.

I want to hear some solid shit about how folks are going to keep my family safe this year.

I am with Camp Kitten, and we take care of cats.  What is most important to me is that my family is safe.  The RF is incredibly adaptable, and I have watched the gathering change over the decades, and I love that.  I want to point out one thing, I have not been home in three years. I have basically cried because I so miss all of you, my family. Not getting hugs, no drum circles.  So if it weren’t for the virus, I would find the next bus and go.

I was there through shigella and they were nothing compared to this corona. I do not know what is worse, the isolation or the virus,  I am keeping my family out this year.  I will be encourage those of us to shelter in place, we will find something to do.  We will study something, we will learn new things, and I will do what I can to help us feel connected.

I love and miss you all. I have food for family – I have supplies for regionals or annual. In Oklahoma.

The last two calls have been absolutely mind-blowing – the moderation and the respect – mute button your phone and respect the timer. Communication and Respect!

The gathering is not a protest. 

Thank you for moderation, time keeping and all! I am the notetaker, if you have concerns, please let me know.  I have written and posted notes from this call for the last 4 or 5 calls.

Herbal regiment:  zinc, elderberry, olive leaf extract, vit D3 .  Coq 10  - You need to protect your own bodies, rest, drink good water, exercise. Meditation, stress reduction, stay away from crowds.  We do not know how this virus really works ---

I want to hear the “solid safety plan” that those who are thinking of gathering have talked about.  It will be my pleasure to write it down.

The gathering is not a protest. 

The ICT have some kind of minimum that triggers them.  If you see others gathering. Let us pray that we do not have more than 500 people  -- think really, really tiny.   TINY CAMP IS THE ONLY CAMP that should go.

I love hearing all you new people.  The gathering to me is not the party the prayer – the network of people that are crazy weird or dumb enough to do this.  We believe that that guy over there is pretty much going to do the right thing, and we put up the safety net when he fucks up. That network is not showing up at this gathering. 

I love the family and watched the process – pretty cool with the moderation.

I am not in agreement with those who want to gather, it is irresponsible. We need to come together in the next week or so and try to emphasize that.  Many of us believe that this is a health and safety issue.  CALM has a hard-enough time, and CALM pays for their own materials and I think there is a lot of danger this year.  One sick person can make themselves sick, the family can get sick, the communities around the site can get sick. I have lived in Idaho, and we are going to get back into the meadows and it may be about 3 hours to the closest city. I have lots of concerns, there are not lots of stores. People will have not bring in their supplies, I am concerned about health and safety, I will not be going. I hope the family decides to postpone until 2021.

I think family who blocks a consensus not to gather. (?) This is going to be a tough year.  It is not about politics, it is about health and safety.

I am not sure that I can speak without getting emotional.  I am for postponing, we need to inform these people of the challenge we are having.  When I get freaked out. I hope that whatever happens ….(moderated cut her off, and came back later to apologize)

I am giving my time to the last sister, for many were talking over her. 

I am good, I took up my time. I would like to breath and when my time is up it is up.

32 on the call.

Check to see if you are muted. Thanks

Moderators are doing a good job,  this is chaotic, and all we are is a reflection.

The people protesting in front of the capitals, the ones who want to gather in IDHO are the radical and ignoring the majority of those who want to postpone the gathering

This gathering is right in my back yard, I was looking forward to it. I am not going to enable it because I do not support it. It will be raining for the next week. All the city things have been cancelled. If we gather, we will run into a big wall. This town will block it if we do not.  They will look at us as a threat.  The USFS may also blockade, and do heavy arrests _ I think many well- meaning people are being led into a trap aummmm at home, scatter gatherings. Please do not gather it is not a good idea. 

I love you. listen to the doctors, have a good day.

I would like to say first – I have a new name.  I love you.  I have been in conversation with people that are not on these calls – their vision is that rainbow is not online.  Rainbow is outside of the spell of Babylon. We will not hear their heart songs  -- they feel sadness and fear about the long-term effects and the long-term grief.  They do not feel that we need to gather this year.  But they feel sad it is becoming technology driven. People are crying their hearts out – they want to follow tradition. The fact we have done this, and this is the process. But I want to say these people, the majority of them, are saying we should not do it.  For those who want to still go, look into their hearts they are in pain, too. 

The children and elders cannot come and that is causing pain. The sanctuary can happen in your back yard.  We do not have to go to Idaho to have sanctuary. There are enough people around us that need it.

I am new at this. I want to echo the idea that the beauty of rainbow –rainbow is in juxtaposition to Rome, Empire, Babylon.  To talk to the folks who used the word Protest – by nature without permit, that is a protest and it is a peaceful assembly and it is a protest. The most at risk is dirty kids, bus village, and those who travel from gathering to gathering. I would like to hear from anyone on the call who is helping those groups who have no place to go – the more at-risk folks who do not have a safe place to go.

Please take a breath. The conversation moved into a “ask question”  time – please hold answer until it is your turn to speak.  Along the way, on your time. Otherwise, it is too chaotic.

I have not spoken in a few day, I see that some are beginning to understand that the gathering is going to happen.  Now I appreciate what you all have to say what the gathering is – it is not only what you want it to be, the gathering is also what others want it to be.  There ae too many people – pretty legit people that are going – I do not know a single fool that is going. The people that I  -- consensus is not a rule it is our best advice.  I am going to answer any questions, I am on at least two chats with others thinking about scouts, spring council and we have a FB page a work group to think about how my guess is 400-500 people.

I would love to be a part of your chat. And there is a site 2020 Idaho Supporters of the 2020 Gathering – That site will not let you join if they do not like you. They are not letting other rainbows in –the site you want, open for all is ---  RFOLL 2020 Workgroup (probably) ---

What happens when someone comes down with COVID?

The moderator stepped down and the civil conversation broke down.  With 34 people on the call.  Who is the moderator…please mute your phones. The whole call was muted.

We have real things to do, and it is my fucking turn.  It is not her call. 

We got back on track with ____.

I would like to direct to all of you that plan to gather.  This conf call has been used to postpone the gathering, it is not a pro gathering call.  I have done lots of scouting, seed camp and clean up – and if you are talking about going, I have not seen any of these people at seed camp nor cleanup.  I do not think that the people who are now scouting, have never been scouting. And most of the kitchens that I have seen and worked with are not going to get there.  The gathering, be prepared, because those who have done much of the gathering preparation will not be there. The normal support structure will not be there.  The kitchens that are going are ones that set up and do not clean up after themselves.  I say good luck, I am not planning on going. Stay where you are. Know if you are going that you are absolute responsibility  and that if you are leading this you have responsibility for all those who follow you.

I really do not want to waste my time with this crap. These are being sabotaged. The majority of the blab, blab, the arrests, the fear , blab, blab whatever, we need to block those people from talking. Are you a naysayer, if you are not helping, you will be excluded from the conversation.

We need to talk about the water.  We need to get the supplies of right water.  And the magic hat situation, if someone wants to donate now, it is a sketch ball situation. This whole thing is the elders fault, this is not funny, it is not about ego, or it is for some people. I hear the naysay, and the micro-gather, I am over that crap. There is the other group and it is not up for discussion, they are actively trying to sabotage.  We need to weed these people out. I have heard everybody’s’ spiel about how selfish we are for wanting to gather. I say fuck off.  This is family bitch, if I have to get my own water line,  this is my fucking. If you can’t do what you can to get us pipe, filters, and you need to step the fuck aside.  We know, we have heard it.  WE are supposed to want to be like you, fuck off.

We need to .2 micro filter.  POINT of process, sorry to interrupt.  I do not think it is ethical for the moderator to makes point between people.

Dear ___ please feel free to come to me with your tears, and the other sister nobody should be afraid to come to the family.

We should change the name of the gathering to a regional, just a recommendation.  There has been talk of letting these kids step up, nobody is going to deliver what you need. You cannot demand and get agro with others to get what you need.

We all want to evolve,  (speaker interrupted)

You can make demands on others to use their gear. I want you to understand that you can’t say that if you do not let me use it, you are not family.

We are on the call for each other.

It seems really irresponsible….(interrupted)

Please do not interrupt, unless you are asked a question

Let us ask what is going on. WE are all adults and responsible for ourselves. I have been excited by Idaho for years, am I going this year –no, because it is a gathering of the tribes, if everyone can’t go then it is not a gathering. If we can’t do it, in a sanitary, I know what it takes to do sanitation, and I don’t see it happening.  A tribe of the family has no place to go.

Sending equipment to this train wreck is enabling.  I find it very disturbing that we cannot have a civil conversation. With all the screaming.

I would like to hear from those who have nowhere to go.

It is going to be harder without the infrastructure, and the elders.  Many people complain about drain bows, but we do nto want to be the cause of the second wave”, I think the reality is that Idaho is not going to be able to handle people if they get sick. I do wish you well, folks going will need to do lots without draining

There is a FB group Travelers with literally no place to go – folks are connecting. And maybe someone should bring food to those place.

If it anything like this call, it will be chaos. Let us try to keep people safe.  If this gets worse, that is when we really need to get together to rebuild civilization.

Aummmmm from home.

I think we have been working very hard for 40 plus years, in the middle of anything, and to go into the woods and set up the systems that we need. Love and share with thousands of people, with as little contact with Babylon as possible.  But still need  food, gas, and supplies.  We have told the courts and president so the US that we can show them how this needs to be done so when the shit hits the fan out there, we can set it up and it they pay attention, they can do it too.

(interrupted by Alex Jones, maybe?)

So…I think that maybe, this pandemic is our opportunity to prove to ourselves that we can to it safe – not anger and frustration, not tears, and not illness.  If we are going to continue to do what we do best and love and support each other then it is pretty obvious that we cannot bring thousands of people together now.  But what we can do bring it local, online, on the phone and talk about how we can help each other and what we can do to celebrate interdependence. I can tell anyone who wants to know how to set up CALM, a kitchen, and there are lots of people that can tell you how to do things. Some of the knowledge has been written. But screaming and yelling at each other is not helpful. I hate the idea that anyone needs to scream.

I am not going to any regional, I am at high risk. I do not think we should try to have any large gatherings anywhere, but I think we can talk about how we can talk to each other and our communities. I can tell you how to protect parts of your body.

We should be communicating in a positive manner.

I want to be clear. I don’t go -  auhmmm at home.  I am an original gatherer, we had problems, but the purpose of our gathering, -- these people that want to go but please do not call it a rainbow gathering –people are gonna get sick, people will be arrested, it has turned into a Trump fest.  We are not a protest gathering, it was a prayer for peace.  The fact the original gathering was a celebration. As an original gather I block this gathering.

Give thanks.  I hear so many people speaking, voices that constitute one of two choices – love or fear.  The perspective is critical to the outcome  the family speaks for itself, and we, are finding amazing things with micro gatherings and conf calls. I hear that there are those that will gather in Idaho and just try to offer up how this may very well just happen.  I do believe that there is a part of the family going to Idaho, and those who wish to support can. For those who do not wish to support that is good.  We need to talk about how to do it.

ROFLL workgroup FB page.  We started it as private, and it is now open to all those who want to talk about it. This time is IMHO really really special, super special and we all know why.  I am not proposing to know your why.  I know that the kinds of focus, and the people will gather in the ‘red road’ way, we will be a shining example for the people.  I just want to offer up that perspective for the family.

I came to this call , and it was a screaming mess, I was sorry to hear that. It is not a good year to gather, aummmm from home, gather with your friends and family in your neighborhood.

And this is not out of fear, postponing is out of love, so remember that , it is out of love. We will have our chance to gather again.  If people are determined to go, do it on your own, take your bucket – water pipe is not good that has been sitting around anyway. Use your heads, listen to others who are talking with their hearts – taking out of their wisdom

We all love each other, and everyone is disappointed – it is not a good year to gather.

There is a silver lining to all of this, and reach out to people you do not know well.  No time for bickering, we need to take care of ourselves – do your yoga, take your ganga meds…

Aummmmmmmm from home.

Thank you for stacking,  this is the 33^rd call –

Two months we have been doing this.  So I really appreciate everyone who has stepped up to moderate—thank you for calling, thanks for moderating, thanks to team host moderators.

Oh, yeah, Aummmm from home.

I do not know what the hollering was about, I don’t go – 2020 Don’t go.

It is not the end of the world.  We do have to do things with some alarmist reaction.  People demanding resources- it is not a re et to do.  If you want to do something with people, you should be do that on your own.  Welcome home says come prepared - -very few people do that.  From the light line, I will not be broadcasting any locations in Idaho.

Hi Family,  I am sad.  It has been a rough day. Watching people on FB, but we seem like we are really divided.  I like the idea of aummmmm from home, micro gatherings seem good, I am really, really,  really  sad about this.  I am worried about the fallout from the cops, I think this is the perfect storm,  I know how blood thirsty they are for us. I hope we can meet up next year

fourth annual gathering.  Please save the annual gathering for when the whole family will be safe.  It is the big picture, there are so many people calling out to not have the annual gathering – do something smaller. I do not want to fight there is so much ugliness in the world and I am just want us to shine. I am really sad and disheartened. 

I am concerned about calm.  One of the things that is good Osha Root, Eucalyptus Oil for opening lungs. Coffee is good, bronchodilator.  Colts food, vit C and Vit D – raspberry leaf. Horehound when there are fires. Pine tea.  Lots of garlic and onion. Keep yourselves healthy.

2 hosts and 31 participants

I really agree with everyone.  If you can aummm at home, stay at home. I am willing to go to support people at the gathering.  Small gathering in ____.  We should not be mooching off of foodbanks, and get in touch with local folks – seed catalog, and the direct of seed savers. I am growing things, I think we should postpone Idaho.

For those who have not been on the previous calls, there has been lots of discussion about the traveling people and helping them connect with places to go.   On FB there are a few pages that are helping to network and connect people and places.  If Idaho could be a small gathering and folks could pull it off in a safe and heathy way, that is what is most important.  It is important for everyone to express themselves and please, get a reign on yourself before you speak.

I have been listening and it is my second turn to speak!

I am having anxiety right now, and I am talking to the planners of this. I want to know, What is somebody comes up sick with COVID at the gathering? I am asking people who are planning this.  I do not want to hear about conspiracy, to say this is not real is a slap in the face.  There are people who listen and do not speak on this call. What if a dozen people get sick? What if someone comes and makes the locals sick?   What is the plan anywhere? 

I want to ask – the two people --- and we allowed for the answer from two folks:  

Person #1----1. What do we do protect ourselves?  As the healer, take care of yourself.

2. How do we prevent the others from getting sick? We need to ISOLATE them from everyone else.

3. How do we help the person? There are things that we can do to help ourselves and others – to prevent the problems.  Homozone, osha, mullein, vit d3, grapefruit seed extract, zinc – posted on FB.  There are things you can get and bring to the gathering. And do not say IF it happens, if 100  people show up you can be sure that 10 people will be carrying the virus.  The reason I am telling people they should not go to Idaho – 10-15% of the people travelling to Idaho have it, it is very contagious.  If you had it, you may get it a second time – first time is respiratory -------the second time it goes for the lungs.  We do not know this virus well enough, the CDC has been wrong just as much as it has been right.  It appears to attack the respiratory, and then goes for the heart and the brain.   All the people thought that were safe are not.

Person #2----   I am not a CALM person.  We want to be taking temperatures, and I pray that there will be somebody that will have some CALM vibe, I thought I heard that there are some supplies coming. That is why we are creating the site for things we need. We have been talking casually and now we are going to talk about the important things.   Along this having teas that were suggested – Osha root Raspberry, Pine Tea, we should have it there and at the same time, if there is someone with symptoms, we would have to refer to the people with professional skills and we may need to bring them to the hospital.

I am still adamant that I want to see the family postpone the Idaho Gathering. Aummmmmm at home. I am putting together a consensus.  

The people who are actually going to Idaho are talking and hard questions are being asked and answered. 

I think the real thing about this call – it is a place where people just got together for people to just talk to each other.  Just get “it” off our chests, whatever “it” may be.  I spend time on this call admonishing those that want to gather.  It is so God damn selfish for those who think it is ok to gather. It makes me question why I care so much about rainbow, but you think that during at time of death and disease, and it saddens me to think that people are so egotistical and gathering in these times.

It is our right to peaceful assembly, our gatherings are not a protest.

I stand I solidarity with postponing the gathering.

There is a shanti sena skill share 5/21 – Thursday night at 9PM. 

I have been listening to the phone calls. I believe in a few things.  I believe in Shanti Sena, I do not think it is a good idea for people to gather.  I think we should pray from home and not go.

I hope others can see our example. I am befuddled so many different minds and attitudes, I do not know what to say. I only know how to deal with conflict on the land. You guys are on to something, everyone should be really careful this year.  I wish only blessings on you all.

I was part of the chaos and I apologize for it.  I am sorry.

The gathering could be called a “spreading event” ultra-risk scenario. When there is pandemic – we do not gather.

And if there are 10 % of the people arrive sick – I did not hear a satisfactory answer.  What about the asymptomatic – it would be a really disrespectful , despicable thing to do and then pass it to others.

What if some go to spring council – and should we go and block the gathering. Would we be able to block it at spring council? 

Contact Tracing – we should try this.  At these mini-micro gatherings, we would be able to track – trusted person with paper, put their name and contact on it.  That paper gets held for 30 days, and give out a number and folks can contact if they are sick.

I was on earlier, and heard someone say – it is our right.  And that is not correct.  The first invitation to the gathering is --- ( insert invite)  --It was never a protest, it was an invitation.

Please do not go to the gathering.  Please pray from home. 

Lots of discouragement, I think we can agree 99% on the call, and we had a moderator gung-ho on doing a gathering in Wyoming. 

We need to block this gathering, and we can have small gatherings.

There is not much harmony on this call. Continuing to discourage, is not working.  There are people out there with no internet, and lets’ stop trying to beat each other.  There is lots of light and love and it nice to hear the olders on the call. Remember to shine. 

Go out and smile with your eyes.

A poem was shared.

I hope the people have common sense and stay home. Grapefruit seed extract awesome stuff.

I love you all. Aummmmmmm at home!